I wondered if there wasn't a degree of the NIMBY hangover within the workshop that existed for years. I did see a comment from one of the engineers that was deflecting some of the lack of pace of #17 on the basis that Marcos wasn't up to speed with the car/category.... if the default attitude is that the lack of pace is due to the driver, it's gonna be difficult to force the sort of engineering changes that #17 likely needs to generate pace. That would be a prime reason to have Pye in the car, to conclusively put it into perspective - driver or car? Betting that the car's a bit on the nose, much more than it being Ambrose...
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Ambose steps down Scott Pye new driver in car #17
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If the FPV setup for Adelaide worked so well for that one round it shows that with the right gear Marcos is up to it for getting into the tep ten and out of the battle pack of desperado's and retards who think "bin it or win it" is still a thing . . .
Also If Marcos is NOT a driver, maybe some of the rules related to practise time won't apply,. . .there have been a few CoTF chassis available for sale , . . maybe time to think about test driving every single one of them to see how they go? and get a bit more time behind the wheel? . . .or something.
I believe that Supercars management have to be a party to anything involving the COTF chassis - sale, deregistration etc as part of the intellectual property or some such...
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Fact or Fiction??
GG
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsp...-his-v8-supercars-future-20150321-1m4j57.html
Frustrated former V8 Supercars champion Marcos Ambrose has fled to the outback to consider his future after aborting his comeback.
Ambrose took off following the shock announcement on Tuesday that he was standing down "temporarily" just two events into his full-time return to V8 racing with DJR Team Penske.
He is spending time on his own in a remote area of Central Australia to "clear his head" as he wrestles with the dilemma of whether he can be competitive again in V8s.
Ambrose, 38, is said by those close to him to be suffering a crisis of confidence after struggling in the season-opening Adelaide 500 and again in the non-championship support races at last weekend's Australian Grand Prix.
Fairfax Media has learnt he drove by himself from Adelaide to Alice Springs last week and has stayed in the remote region to contemplate his V8 future.
The long drive north is the first stage of his efforts to think through the conflicting feelings he has about resuming his comeback later in the season.
Ambrose is understood still to be in the area, visiting sights such as Uluru as he agonises over his decision in the solitude of the outback.
"He needs time to clear his head," an associate said. "The guy just needs to stop for a while and take a breath. You can't race a car if not mentally prepared to race. He's nowhere near the top of his game in his own mind."
Ambrose is due back in time for next weekend's Tasmania SuperSprint at Symmons Plains, near Launceston, his hometown.
But whether he will be there is undecided and friends suggest he will avoid the event if he decides not to pursue his full-time return to V8s.
His place in the DJR Team Penske Falcon has been filled by Scott Pye, who lost his drive when the squad scaled back to one car.
Although it was announced Ambrose requested to be "temporarily relieved" as the team's driver, there was no timescale for reclaiming his place other than being available to partner Pye as planned in the Sandown 500, Bathurst 1000 and Gold Coast 600 endurance races.
Sources close to Ambrose have suggested that, unless he has a dramatic change of mind during his outback odyssey, he is unlikely to be back in V8s permanently, reducing his commitment to a co-driver role in the enduros this year and next year.
He returned to Australia after nine years in the US where he competed with distinction in the top-level NASCAR Sprint Cup stock car series.
He was one of the dominant V8 drivers before leaving, winning back-to-back titles in 2003 and 2004 and narrowly missing out in his farewell season in 2005.
Ambrose signed a two-year deal to lead US team owner Roger Penske's entry into V8 Supercars in partnership with Ford legend Dick Johnson.
The new-look DJR Team Penske scaled back to one Falcon for Ambrose, who downplayed expectations in his first season back.
But adapting to the new-generation V8 racers proved even more difficult than he anticipated and those who know him well believe he is questioning whether he has the energy late in his career to endure the slog of re-establishing himself and DJR Team Penske as front-runners in V8s.
From MA - the report was 100% pure fiction!
Fact or Fiction??
GG
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsp...-his-v8-supercars-future-20150321-1m4j57.html
Frustrated former V8 Supercars champion Marcos Ambrose has fled to the outback to consider his future after aborting his comeback.
Ambrose took off following the shock announcement on Tuesday that he was standing down "temporarily" just two events into his full-time return to V8 racing with DJR Team Penske.
He is spending time on his own in a remote area of Central Australia to "clear his head" as he wrestles with the dilemma of whether he can be competitive again in V8s.
Ambrose, 38, is said by those close to him to be suffering a crisis of confidence after struggling in the season-opening Adelaide 500 and again in the non-championship support races at last weekend's Australian Grand Prix.
Fairfax Media has learnt he drove by himself from Adelaide to Alice Springs last week and has stayed in the remote region to contemplate his V8 future.
The long drive north is the first stage of his efforts to think through the conflicting feelings he has about resuming his comeback later in the season.
Ambrose is understood still to be in the area, visiting sights such as Uluru as he agonises over his decision in the solitude of the outback.
"He needs time to clear his head," an associate said. "The guy just needs to stop for a while and take a breath. You can't race a car if not mentally prepared to race. He's nowhere near the top of his game in his own mind."
Ambrose is due back in time for next weekend's Tasmania SuperSprint at Symmons Plains, near Launceston, his hometown.
But whether he will be there is undecided and friends suggest he will avoid the event if he decides not to pursue his full-time return to V8s.
His place in the DJR Team Penske Falcon has been filled by Scott Pye, who lost his drive when the squad scaled back to one car.
Although it was announced Ambrose requested to be "temporarily relieved" as the team's driver, there was no timescale for reclaiming his place other than being available to partner Pye as planned in the Sandown 500, Bathurst 1000 and Gold Coast 600 endurance races.
Sources close to Ambrose have suggested that, unless he has a dramatic change of mind during his outback odyssey, he is unlikely to be back in V8s permanently, reducing his commitment to a co-driver role in the enduros this year and next year.
He returned to Australia after nine years in the US where he competed with distinction in the top-level NASCAR Sprint Cup stock car series.
He was one of the dominant V8 drivers before leaving, winning back-to-back titles in 2003 and 2004 and narrowly missing out in his farewell season in 2005.
Ambrose signed a two-year deal to lead US team owner Roger Penske's entry into V8 Supercars in partnership with Ford legend Dick Johnson.
The new-look DJR Team Penske scaled back to one Falcon for Ambrose, who downplayed expectations in his first season back.
But adapting to the new-generation V8 racers proved even more difficult than he anticipated and those who know him well believe he is questioning whether he has the energy late in his career to endure the slog of re-establishing himself and DJR Team Penske as front-runners in V8s.
From MA - the report was 100% pure fiction!
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Interesting, there is so much speculation around at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised either way about him returning or not returning.
What I was told was the big issue was mentioned here earlier by DJRMAD, the fact it took FPR to supply the setup for him to get any pace at Adelaide and he can't "gel" with the current engineers.
Another issue is that he has spent almost his entire time back in Australia at DJR, even Dick picked him up from the airport and drove him straight to the workshop. It doesn't help trying to settle the family back in Australia when you got so many commitments.
With all his millions he is reported to have now, would any of you be putting in 100% at your job? Me, I'd be retired to some nice quiet water front location.
What I was told was the big issue was mentioned here earlier by DJRMAD, the fact it took FPR to supply the setup for him to get any pace at Adelaide and he can't "gel" with the current engineers.
Another issue is that he has spent almost his entire time back in Australia at DJR, even Dick picked him up from the airport and drove him straight to the workshop. It doesn't help trying to settle the family back in Australia when you got so many commitments.
With all his millions he is reported to have now, would any of you be putting in 100% at your job? Me, I'd be retired to some nice quiet water front location.
Every day there is a different rumour. I would hate to be MA with the commitments he would have had since landing back in oz. The biggest issue really is that MA has said zip to the public about why and hence why there are so many romours and miss information floating around. Today's piece by DJ was the first real piece trying to explain the situation.
Personally I believe to go with a 1 car setup has hurt the team and also put added presure on MA. With a one car team there is no second guessing or running the possibilities of setups, so in fact you really dont know where you are. Fair enough they have the FPR play book - but thats generally after the session when qauli has been run.
I think we may see an improvement with bugalugs in the car - compared to MA, But SP will be under the same presure trying to set the car against what ???
GG
Excuse the spelling...
Was no good at Dick tation... LOL
Personally I believe to go with a 1 car setup has hurt the team and also put added presure on MA. With a one car team there is no second guessing or running the possibilities of setups, so in fact you really dont know where you are. Fair enough they have the FPR play book - but thats generally after the session when qauli has been run.
I think we may see an improvement with bugalugs in the car - compared to MA, But SP will be under the same presure trying to set the car against what ???
GG
Excuse the spelling...
Was no good at Dick tation... LOL
Pay that!
Despite the fact that I feel Ambrose has jumped the gun on this decision, putting Scott Pye in the car will give the team an opportunity to asses the car itself.
During and after the Symmons Plains round the team can look at the telemetry and decide if it really is Marcos, or the car setup. This will give them a yardstick as to whether the car is heading in the right direction, or not. From a race team point of view it is a smart move, and one that is only possible when they have a driver on hand who is experienced with the current car format.
This could very well be the best thing to do for becoming more competitive for the rest of the season, although I personally think Marcos should have given himself another couple of championship rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them alternate drivers throughout the season.
During and after the Symmons Plains round the team can look at the telemetry and decide if it really is Marcos, or the car setup. This will give them a yardstick as to whether the car is heading in the right direction, or not. From a race team point of view it is a smart move, and one that is only possible when they have a driver on hand who is experienced with the current car format.
This could very well be the best thing to do for becoming more competitive for the rest of the season, although I personally think Marcos should have given himself another couple of championship rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them alternate drivers throughout the season.
Racin Jason
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I think it is about time to cut the crap. Marcos needs to make up his mind whether or not he wants to be a V8Supercar driver. This "I'm not comfortable in the car" bullshit has to stop. Of course he isn't comfortable in the car, he hasn't given it a chance. He has proven his point about the car being the problem and Scott Pye was getting the same results. Time to get back in there and get comfortable! I am not convinced that Marcos couldn't have achieved what Scotty has with car set up. In my opinion Marcos is not convinced that he WANTS it bad enough. Time to shit or get off the toilet Marcos.[bgn]
Racin Jason has just echoed my thoughts nearly to the word. I think Marcos, or Cindric or Penske himself needs to bite the bullet and make a decision once and for all. This not comfortable stuff is making a mockery of all involved, either he is in or out. If its in then he has to get back in the car and get reacquainted with it through gritting his teeth and doing the hard yards, or, if its out, then its goodbye and Pye gets the gig full time.
STOP TREATING EVERYONE LIKE FOOLS!
STOP TREATING EVERYONE LIKE FOOLS!
Looks like Ambrose might get some more seat time,
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/more-co-driver-time-granted
I hope he can become more "comfortable" in the car before the enduros. [sh]
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/more-co-driver-time-granted
I hope he can become more "comfortable" in the car before the enduros. [sh]