better or worse drivers?

[Rob 18]

The greyer the hairs, the faster we go........... That was DJ at his absolute best in 92! Poor old Skaifey was making excuses about how DJ was running huge boost for qualifying & what not & then LP came out & put the old VL on the outside of the front row.

Still to this day that race in 92 is the best I've ever seen DJ drive. He was awesome the whole weekend... The way he & Bowey chased down the GTR in the rain late in the race & then have to cop what was a stupid ruling must have gutted him.

5 mins after Richo through the GTR at the wall & some idiot through out the red flag when the track was no where even close to being blocked, the bloody sun came out............

When it's not your day!!!!!!!!

 

[TS-50]

quote:Originally posted by Rob 18

The greyer the hairs, the faster we go........... That was DJ at his absolute best in 92! Poor old Skaifey was making excuses about how DJ was running huge boost for qualifying & what not & then LP came out & put the old VL on the outside of the front row.

Still to this day that race in 92 is the best I've ever seen DJ drive. He was awesome the whole weekend... The way he & Bowey chased down the GTR in the rain late in the race & then have to cop what was a stupid ruling must have gutted him.

5 mins after Richo through the GTR at the wall & some idiot through out the red flag when the track was no where even close to being blocked, the bloody sun came out............

When it's not your day!!!!!!!!

yep and we all know who the asshole was that day, in addition , ther was no gentleman Jum on the podium either, what a spoilt display it was from him, Knowing that he'd crashed, his car was irriparable and then he crashed it againtrying to limp to the pits with a wheel folded up under the car. He knew it was a set up and was dirty that the Holden fans had already gon home and the only fans left there wanted to see the second place getter and rightful winner.

 

[Bigcol]

Money talks.

If you look around the Bathurst circuit that year, all the stuff not taken up by other sponsors had Nissan over it.

Schenken only threw the red flag when the GTR was shown on the monitors with it's front wheel all but falling off around Forrests elbow and then sliding into the crashed cars at the start of Conrod.
It had already stopped raining and the track was never blocked at any stage.
The Nissna team played their cards and went bust. They knew the rain was going to be gone as quick as it had came and tried staying out on slicks when everybody else had come in for wets #17 included.
The GTR should have been classified as a non finisher just because of their stupidity for leaving it out there like that

 

[Gerry]

I think we all hate that bloody race.
Well, at least the way it was finished.

 

[4EVER17]

You can either Drive or you can`t. Just ask Rodney Forbes. As Crech said once upon a time: The guy can`t even spin properly! As far as top line drivers go they could drive what ever was put under them and I really don`t think there would be much time difference between yesterdays & todays top drivers.

 

[Racin Jason]

This is really hard! Is it a case of the older they get the better they were?

I think no matter what era , the drivers would adapt to what is available to them. Some guys have natural ability and some don't. As Dick, Brocky, Larry and co. got older, it did become harder for them because the cars became more clinical and reacted to the slightest set up change. The young guys that grew up poring over data and adapting the car to suit their driving style find the new cars easier to drive. By the same token the older guys who drove more by the seat of their pants and tended more to drive around a problem will always find an older car easier.

It would still be interesting to see DJ and Steve do a back to back in a current car and a Sierra or even Tru-Blu.

 

[DJR-FAN]

quote:Originally posted by TS-50

Back in the day it really was "seat of the pants" driving and it took both skill and "feel" to know how hard to push the car, how much to turn her in and how late to brake.

I think the modern era where it is all down on software and data entry programs to let the driver know what's going on is so vastly different to how it was back then that you really can't compare them.

I agree. I don't think you can compare what are 2 very different types of cars and drivers. The term TS has used "feel" is what would cause the drivers from Group C era (and to a lesser extent A) as much trouble in today?s cars as today?s drivers back then. Group C drivers truly drove by "feel", but today?s cars don't communicate to the driver what?s happening in the same way Group C cars did through the steering, brakes, drivers seat and even the way you could feel the chassis behave under different loads. That's not to say today?s cars don't have "feel", it's just not as exaggerated. To compensate for less vehicle communication today?s drivers need to look over hours of data to get the same information that someone like Dick would have got from the "feel" on a single lap.

Most members on here would have experienced this first hand in there own vehicle ownership over the years. For example, I have owned and driven XC and XD falcons and driven new model falcons. The new vehicles have better steering and brakes but I'm not convinced I can drive them as hard as the old XC/D cars because you don't have the same feel for the car.

As always the great leveler is rain. Today?s V8 Supercars start to behave like Group C when the track is wet, they vibrate and shudder with acceleration and braking, they slide and require opposite lock, all the things Group C used to do in the dry. For me 3 of today?s drivers stand out in these conditions and would probably adapt well to the old Group C cars. Lowndes, Jnr and Van Gis.

To compare the 2 is impossible because of how different they are. The only thing you can do in today?s category is hide an ordinary driver. In Group C an average driver ended up with an average position no matter how good the car was he was driving. Today, as we have all witnessed, an average driver in good equipment can be towards the front and a good driver can be down the back because the technical level of the cars.