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Seton Fanatic

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Despite the result from Glenn Seton and Dean Canto in today's Bathurst 1000, I must say that there are a lot of positives that have come out of this weekend I will also analyse the major incident from today's race involving Marcos Ambrose and Greg Murphy, but first.

This weekend was the first weekend in a very long time that Glenn has had a car consistently quick through Practice and Qualifying. It made for pleasant reading seeing Glenn consistently in the top 10. Dean did his customary good job in the co-driver's session, with the sixth fastest time, proving that #18 would not be a one-man band on Sunday.

I can't really analyse Qualifying properly, as the coverage was devoted to three or four cars, that were at the pointy end of the time sheets. Having said that, I noticed that the commentators were keen to pump up the Seton/Canto combination through the weekend, which made a pleasant change from the otherwise nondescript coverage he normally gets in other rounds of the championship, when running well. It was pleasing to see him make his 15th shootout, and keep ahead of Skaifey on the all-time list.

Saturday's practice session was disappointing; a small error by Glenn, costing 12-13 valuable minutes of track time, and a chance to set a quick time. The shootout was a mixed bag emotionally. In one hand, I was happy that Glenn took the safe option, and drove a traditional Seton shootout lap; nice and smooth, with no real dramatic moments. On the other, I was disappointed with the mixed conditions, but it was something we Seton fans had to cop. Eighth on the grid was enough for optimism to rein high in the Fanatic household, for Sunday, although I wasn't confident of victory.

The start was the best start I've seen from Glenn at Bathurst in ages. He was aggressive off the line, and kept it that way during the stint. I was proud of the way Glenn drove in all his stints today. Only when the car didn't have pace, did he let the cars behind past. There was no 'bus driving', as we have seen in the past (2000, 2001 and 2002 all come to mind). Glenn kept at it and didn't make an error, unlike more successful and experienced contemporaries. Someone may have the stats on Seton's pace, but it didn't appear that the car was in real contention for a win, let alone a podium. 4th appeared the absolute best that the car could have achieved today, so there was not a big hit points-wise, as there may have been, had the race stayed green, and without the catastrophic incident near the end of the race.

Dean probably performed below most's expectations, including mine, but he kept at it, and for the most part, didn't make too many errors, other the unfortunate coming-together with Andrew Jones, which lost #18 any chance of a top 5 result. I will be interested to see the lap times, but certainly Dean appeared at times to doing a bit of Seton-esque 'bus-driving' at certain stages during his stint.

Now for the Ambrose/Murphy incident. The feeling among my mates and I was that, if anyone was in the wrong, that Murphy was to blame. The car was nowhere near the B-Pillar, and there appeared to be a brief opportunity for Murphy to lift. Now, given the recent change in perspective on these matters, I expect Ambrose to hauled over the coals from a driving standpoint for this incident, even though under the old perspective, he would have been okay, from my standpoint.

Chaos ensued behind, and some cars including Seton were unlucky to get through. The real question is, why didn't Murphy keep going. The car appeared from the scale of the incident to be relatively unharmed; we speculated that Murphy may have suffered brain-fade, and gone to give Ambrose a gobful, which if the car was unharmed, makes the ensuing spat even less professional than what it was.

Both drivers disgraced the sport with their ensuing actions. I, for one, thought that the both of them were going to knock each other's lights out. Fair enough, emotions spill over, but in a situation that could have been far worse, had a car come along and hit one of them, it was extremely unprofessional, and I expect a loss of points and fines for both drivers, although Marcos went someway to giving himself some leverage with his considerably calmer comments just before the end, in contrast to Murphy's trash talk, which overshadowed Morris' racial slur, which will be looked at, if the politically correct have their way.

Bathurst 1000's just keep getting weirder and weirder every year. Surely, a return to an old-style enduro would be welcomed by most next year, after today's events.

Congratulations to the Holden Racing Team on a superb victory, and Tasman Motorsport, for a personal best result.

I'll be at Surfers in two weeks and look forward to giving you a similar sort of report.
 

MRJUCY

New member
Things were looking reasonable for Seto until Dean bent the steering. The result was a shame as Glenn deserved better but I was happy with his driving over the weekend.
I think Murf deserves the rest of the year on the sidelines it was a disgraceful & deliberate move IMO & his comments after were almost as bad.
 

Joe5619

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If you look where #34 ended up (the car Canto was trying to over take), P4 for #18 would have been in the bag... As the say in the classis.. There is always next year!!

I hope DJR have learnt something from this weekend... Kept BOTH Seto & jnr as the main game drivers for 2006 as they are both fantastic drivers.. Put Seto & jnr together in the enduro for next year... No thing against Canto or Will as I think they are both very great young talents, but it is hard to get the most of out of these cars when you don't drive them all year

And Seto now up to 9th in the championship!!! Shame jnr dropped out.. Hopefully we can end the year with both DJR cars inside the top ten..

Bathurst was also the 4th straight round DJR have had a car in the top ten shoot out.. So qualifing pace is getting sorted, slowly but surely!!! :D
 

Nascar12

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AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Why did it have to be Skaife, anyone else but Skaife!!!!


Why do we keep doing it to ourselves Ford could do no wrong all year, on top of the championship, best in qualifying, wins the front row in top ten, but it dont mean squat if you cant win at Bathurst.

Not looking forward to work tomorrow at all!
 

Henry

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I haven't been so disappointed since, since... oh, last year's 1000 I guess. WHat a farce. Actually, the sort of dejection I felt at 4:30 this afternoon was akin the the never-forgotten frustration of being a Ford fan in the late 70's (and I was SIX, for heaven's sake!).

There were far too many drivers who should've known better pushing too hard at inappropriate times... and I would include Lowndesy in that too... the quickest car in the race blunted in its first stint due to a millimetric overstep of the mark.

"Our" cars were mildly disappointing, although it was a great effort by the Westpoint team to get both cars home on the day in creditable fashion.

Unfortunately, Ford haven't got the depth of car speed spread as deeply as the red corner: witness the fact that just about every Holden team there was represented well inside the top ten at varying stages of the day. The sad flip side of that was that the Ford car with the best chance in the dying laps was Ellery's... compare that with the potential in the blue corner at the start of the day.

CL's fundamental underachievement was only a little one, but a costly one: it put him in harm's way once Dumbrell's brain started to turn to jelly (basically as soon as he pulled the helmet on... oh, I'm only kidding , as it seems that he too was in the wrong place at the wrong time) and that was all she wrote for his chances.

SBR seemed to be doing all the right things, except their drivers were only partially dressed for battle as it turns out... but were they the only ones?

The whole crock regarding balaclavas was just the icing on the cake: if I were Tom Gorman, I wouild be taking an ultimatum to AVE$CO's Christmas party: cut out the bullsh!t and pinging of the premier Ford teams on trivialities, or else the Australian Open might find itself the sole recipient of Ford's advertising and competition budget for the next millenium or so... and to hell with the sham that passes for Touring Car racing in this global backwater.

And then the inglorious demise of the #1 car: were it me in the Ford, I don't think I could've stopped myself from snotting that sideburned turkey. From every overhead shot I saw, he had a full 6 feet inside him to make the corner, just as Ambrose said on the telecast: the Falcon wasn't chopping him short that I could see: from where I sat, the incident could've been avoided if the driver who had just lost his track position due to driver error (a missed shift) had've conceded that he'd been done fairly and squarely, and instead of pushing a position he had no claim on, concentrated on making ground in the next corner.

Very ordinary day. Glad I didn't go near the place.
 

Racin Jason

Active member
Well another "Great Race" run and won! By the Wrong Car!!!!!!

I don't think that either DJR car was ever fast enough to win but they didn't need the problems that they had either.I think some positives did come out of the weekend though. perhaps if the team can maintain some stability now things will go forward more quickly.

As for the Ambrose/Murphy incident.... All that did was reinforce in my mind that Murph is an absolute bloody discrace. That was the most deliberate punt I have seen since Ingall got Mike Imrie! I don't think Murph expected the result he got(i.e. I think he thought he would keep going) but it was a deliberate shunt on his part. How much room is Marcos expected to give????
As for Murphy's claim that Marcos gave him no racing room, if youlook at the overhead shot, when Murphy tagged him, Marcos was still on the right hand side of the track and I didn't see Murphy hit the wall on the inside like he claimed.

Rarely have I felt so strong about who was at fault in an incident. I would fully understand if Marcos kicked the crap out of Murphy.... Now that would have made great TV.

SF, go easy on the political correctness! There is already too much of it as it is!!!!
 

Joe5619

New member
quote:Originally posted by Seton Fanatic

You're the man with the maths, Joe. Who was the quickest out of the DJR drivers? Hope it's Glenn.
I can confirm Seto was the quickest by a fair bit!!!! About bloody time Seto.. However Seto, Canto & jnr seem to be laping constantly around the same sort of time, Will seem to strangle a bit.. but that is understandable considering his lack a track/car time. But Seto pulled a very quick one out of his arse on the last lap of his first stinit..

Seto pace & lap times looked like he was starting to have a real 'go' in the mid of the 2nd stint, then #18 (both Seto & Canto) seem to drop a bit after that.. Around the time Channel 10 said something about a trolte postion problem. WOuld be intersting to see it that effected them at all??

Seto : 2.09.2921
Jnr : 2.09.8521
Canto: 2.09.9075
Will : 2.10.2166
 

Joe5619

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And how bl00dy lucky was Seto (& I think jnr was around somewhere too) to get through the Ambrose/Murfy crash in one piece.. I saw Seto stop[ed in the middle of all of it just waiting for a gap before he took off agian.. At least we have 2 straight cars for indy!!
 
N

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Guest
The last two years have been preety good for Glenn Seton finishing runner up but when he drive for DJR this year he finishes 9th. That is quite a massive drop. I'm not happy with DJR's form and result. When will I see a DJR car as competitive as SBR at Bathurst? SBR today has Shown how competitive they are today just ignore the end result all thanks to Mr Murphy.[V]
 
N

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Guest
Don't be too upset of what just happened Henry,NASCAR12. Cheer up because Bathurst is only one race that Ford didn't win but Ford is still in front of the championship.:)

There are people here who don't want Skaife to win bathurst but there's no point crying over spilt milk now. Let's (take a deep breath - yeah I know it might be very hard for some) accept this - he won because it just happens they were the QUICKEST. End of story.
 

Bigcol

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Just another f%^$ing Bathurst that has got away.

Not f%^*ing happy Jan. Just topped up the glass with Rum and Coke to settle in for the sprint to the finish.
Hoping praying that Ambrose would run down Skaife.
Till that grubby little bastard Murphy punted Ambrose.
Murphy has got to have the biggest ego in V8's. His comments on Ambrose were a disgrace and besides anyone that spends as much time as he does in front of the mirror trimming those f%$%^ing ridiculous looking sideburns has to be so infatuated with themselves and so tied up in their own self importance. Murphys ego is now so f%$*ing big it's got it's own postcode.
I'm with you Henry.

Time to give those C&^$%suckers an ultimatum regarding whats been happening to the leading Ford teams.
If this is the sort of shyte Ford is going to cop well you can stick me having anything to do with AVESCO right up where the sun don't shine.
 

Joe5619

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Just read the DJR press release & it does seem the Throttle problem did effect the pace of #18... Bloody shame as #18 would have had race winning pace & this contributed to Canto's move on #34. Seto (pace wise) was looking really good from the start to the middle of his 2nd stint until the problem started..

Dumb it :(
 

seto18

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I can't believe it; I know where i want to put that trophy !!!!!! [V:( Of all the Holdens. I need to get bigger pins for the doll next year !![}:)][}:)]

I taped the race, without the adds (5.5 hours by the way) and i couldn't see Skaife's balacalava either (and believe me I looked). What a joke - to potentially take away a championship because of a piece of unnecessary underwear that they "agreed" didn't need to be worn anyway.

The worst of that is that the officials had only looked at Luff until Cromley and Crackers started mentioning Ambrose - where do they get off virtually dobbing in the bloke? If this f$%#@n c%$p keeps going on, they won't have any supporters left of the series and Cochrane can take it anywhere he wants.

I reckon I know where i would have put Luff's sweaty balaclava too !!:(

I almost felt like they should have just given the trophy to Skaife at the beginning and saved everyone the trouble - b^&*%%$t.
 

Bigcol

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first of all it was the springs on the throttle body. SBR only had 5 instead of 8. Some teams only had 3 apparently
Then it was these balaclavas.
The moment this was spotted every driver getting out of a car should have been checked. You've taped it Carol how many drivers are missing their head gear.
Seems to me a bit like 87 where no matter what happens car #1 or #9 weren't going to win and we'll make sure of that.
 

TS-50

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Seaton Fanatic ; don't be too hard on Glenn's qualifying performance , he was one of the un lucky ones to have to go out on wets after that downpour at the top of the mountain, Russel was the first to go out on slicks and look where he ended up .as the line dried the times progressively got quicker.
On the Murphy /Ambrose issue ;it was quite a hit by Murphy, after a bit of bumping as Ambrose went past also , but i think there could have been some steering damage and there was definately a right front tyre flat on murphys car . I believe that Murphy is a loose cannon and somewhat of a desperado and couldn't accept his mistake was going to cost him the position so he retaliated , unfortunately, as Ambrose was turning in and misjudged the severity of the impact. It has in all reality cost Ambrose the touring car championship ,a high price to pay , i think.
 

05

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I enjoyed the win but I think if Craig did not put the car into the wall (Why Why Why did he push so hard)he would have been the threat.
As for lack of balaclavas if that is the rule thats life a fine would have done but I agree all drivers should have been checked for it as well. I heard Skaife had his on.
 

Nascar12

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quote:Originally posted by nascar12

AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Why did it have to be Skaife, anyone else but Skaife!!!!


Why do we keep doing it to ourselves Ford could do no wrong all year, on top of the championship, best in qualifying, wins the front row in top ten, but it dont mean squat if you cant win at Bathurst.

Not looking forward to work tomorrow at all!
Well the folks at work today weren't too bad. I suppose it helps that you don't go shooting your mouth off before the weekend.

Almost all of the Holden fans felt that Murf was at fault with Ambrose. How the hell the investigators and say that was just a racing accident with no further action required, despite the carnage, (and what if Ambrose went overthe wall into the property below?) as opposed to the penalities against Pirtek and only Pirtek, for both drivers failing to wear their beanies.

Way to go Ch 10 for providing and excellent visual coverage, pity the commentators aren't up to the standard of their camera-men
(I mean they just shut up and show you the pictures).

And thank the lord tony cochrane for Skaife. If it wern't for him I wouldn't have his face and car on almost every bit of advertising/ promotional story/media footage etc....that I see, otherwise we would have to keep going with Brock reruns.

And how's Ch10's form with all the subtle advertising with the holden BS years of success at the mountain, run all too often, not that I've ever expected neutral comments from them except if Ford white washes a round on the Supercars.

One thing that has always worked better for Holden over Ford is the publicity machine that they create. It never fails. It got Brock through his career and now with Skaife and they will chose the next and promote him too, probably Reck (although I did like his comments to Brock saying that he probably wouldn't be able to replicate his achievements in this competition). On the other hand, Reck, Brocky was the original golden child and the spin doctors would have made sure that it would have happened anyhow. "Holden means a great deal to Orstraaylia", onya Hughsie!



DJR, tough luck boys, I believe you had a fair chance, theres always the next race, and you'll always have your loyal fans......... But we wouldn't be offended if you had a win or two!!!!!
 

Ozfords

New member
Tough luck indeed, luck being the word, you can have all the speed in the world and handling but it won't convert to a win unless you had a lucky run to stay away from the carnage.

Top stuff to Dodo, the Holden team I prefer to win ahead of other Holdens. All this non-Ford winning at Bathurst is leading up to the biggest party in the Mounts history once a Falcon crosses in the first spot.

Bathurst is definatley Holden territory. Strange how, theres Holden circuts and then circuts where both markes run equally, just look at Shanghai and Poke-a-cow-e.

But I still think 9th is a top spot for Seto and Canto, given there mechanical drama and stubborn GRM car.
 

seto18

New member
I will watch over the weekend and let you know Col. I know Seto had his on as the open face helmet doesn't hide a thing. With only 11 in car cameras and publicity on the wrong people, it could be difficult.

Does anyone know why DJR don't have in car cameras anymore?

One thing I did notice as I wizzed back quickly, was that after the furore about the balaclava, Skaife did not look at the camera as he waited to do his last stint.

The decision had obvioulsy been made early that Holden were going to get 7 in a row any way possible. It would have been interesting to see what they would have done to Lowndsey if he hadn't hit the wall.

This all reminds me of the early 90's and parity. They handicapped the Falcon because it kept winning and didn't do it to the Holden when the situation reversed. Is this the only way they can handicap the superior BA?

quote:Originally posted by bigcol

first of all it was the springs on the throttle body. SBR only had 5 instead of 8. Some teams only had 3 apparently
Then it was these balaclavas.
The moment this was spotted every driver getting out of a car should have been checked. You've taped it Carol how many drivers are missing their head gear.
Seems to me a bit like 87 where no matter what happens car #1 or #9 weren't going to win and we'll make sure of that.
 

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