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Mark Skaife Retires

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HSV Raiders

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quote:Originally posted by racin jason

quote:Originally posted by Holden V8 Supercars

TW is definately the sports biggest [jk] and its a pity Skaife had to learn the hard way. At least the Kelly Gang appear to have learnt from MS mistakes and are deserting the soon to be sinking ship.

Oh and how is this for a speculator, the 4 car team between perkins and kellys todd staying in the perkins JD car and JNR coming over with the number 17 to drive along side Rick for the Kellys. Id like to see that... :D

Cars 15, 16 and 17.....
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Dreaming!:D
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Yep, but as they say... A boy can dream [:p]
 
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Beejay

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quote:Originally posted by racin jason

Like Skaife or not, he doesn't deserve this. Maybe there is an important life lesson for everyone in all this. If you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. I hope for his and his family's sake he finds a solution.
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[iag] As a driver I hate Skaife, but as a person, no-one deserves to be shafted like this. Hopefully AVESCO can see that Walkinshoddy is not a person suitable to be holding maingame licences, should he happen to have a controlling interest in HRT.

Also, I hope the HRT Sheep vote with their feet and support someone else in protest.
 
4EVER17

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Oh and how is this for a speculator, the 4 car team between perkins and kellys todd staying in the perkins JD car and JNR coming over with the number 17 to drive along side Rick for the Kellys. Id like to see that...

Cars 15, 16 and 17.....


I Love the way ya Thinik! [crackup]
 
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Beejay

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and....

Charlie thinks, hmmm. If Will's contract is with Skaife Sport, and Skaife Sport goes under....

"Hello, Will?"

"Hi Charlie"

"Will is your contract with Skaife Sport still valid?"

"It's worthless Charlie, Mark has just filed for disolution of the company"

"Oh so what are you doing next year?"

"Err, nothing so far."

Just a figment of the imagination of course...
 
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Doug

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Skaife has sold the remaining portion of HRT to TW - hmm here goes the gradual slide downwards of V 8 Supercars!!
 
Donut King

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So, am I the only one left wondering if this is all just an elaborate way for Skaife to be relieved of 'ownership' of something he never paid a cent for in the first place?
 
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Beejay

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If it is, then it has created a lot of unwanted badwill towards Holden. Just look at the news articles and grief amongst the HRT faithfull on all the forums.

And its reasonable to assume that it had a major role in Skaife's major mistakes this year, several of which affected his then-championship leading team-mate. [bc]
 
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Beejay

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Well **** me.

Skaife said: "Tom and I have been working together on this for several weeks. It's disappointing that our negotiations were inaccurately reported just as we were reaching agreement in the best interests of Holden Racing Team."

Did he just part his butt-cheeks and hand Tom the lubricant or what?!?
 
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Henry

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quote:Originally posted by Beejay

If it is, then it has created a lot of unwanted badwill towards Holden. Just look at the news articles and grief amongst the HRT faithfull on all the forums.

And its reasonable to assume that it had a major role in Skaife's major mistakes this year, several of which affected his then-championship leading team-mate. [bc]
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Meh, so two dozen bogans are threatening not to wear their pretty red garbage to Oran Park. Big deal.

All that happened was that Skaife got uppity about a deal that was merely about paper-shuffling in the first place, and wanted to push his position and hopefully hang onto something he didn't really have a right to in the first place. So the Kilted One had to handle him a little roughly to remind him of the lay of the land.

I'd put a lazy 20c on the whole "Skaife hasn't got a pot to piss in" saga in the papers being initiated by the Nosed One, to get a bit of sympathy on-side... and hope that public opinion would sway TW from his course of action. Skaifey's been dead keen on being left with HRT, but his manouevrings have been countered by The Master. I'd heard that TW had told Skaife to name his price for the remainder of Skaife Sport post-Bathurst, along with his notice that he wouldn't be driving there next year... so Skaifey tearfully announced his retirement, but played his big trump... "Yeah, but I still own the team, and I'm the new race director, and did I mention that I own the team?" Honestly, I heard him on MMM the afternoon that he announced he was giving it away, and he must've told Wil and Lehmo about a dozen times that he was the owner of HRT... not really calculated to make Tom a happy chappy really...

And to all that are saying "How could Holden let TW do this to our Chosen One?"... whose side do you think Holden are on? Who is the owner, or major shareholder in a number of strategic Holden-biased assets (like say, HOlden Motor Sport, or HSV?)... so even if Holden weren't dancing to Tom's pipes, he's got enought leverage to probably strongarm Holden anyway.

Of course, TW doesn't give a continental f#@k, and as for sympathy, he probably gave Skaife a dictionary and told him to look somewhere between "sh!t" and "syphillis".
 
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Poita

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Timmy

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That is excellent. Would be interesting if someone tried to get a copy signed at the track this weekend
 
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TS-50

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on the news tonight it was reported that Skaife has handed over Skaife Sports to TW for the wiping of debts owed, but will stay on at HRT as an Ambassador, WTF can't the haggis find a woman ???
 
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Nascar12

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quote:Originally posted by Henry

quote:Originally posted by TS-50

WTF can't the haggis find a woman ???
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Well he could, but that sweet Skaife ass makes him smile as he goes for the vinegar stroke...
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Ahh you blokes crack me up........[crackup]
"Walkinshawed" , thats Gold Poita![thumb]
 
Racin Jason

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I have been thinking about this for a few days now and I have come up with another way of looking at it. Maybe Uncle Tom isn't as bad as the press were initially making out. Perhaps it was a smart ploy by Skaife to leverage himself into a better bargaining position post HRT.

Let's face it, we have all been VERY sceptical about whether or not MS actually "owned" HRT. If that is the case, then Holden were always going to take it back and give it to TW (or whoever) when it suited them. Perhaps by leaking details of his "harsh" treatment to the media, it would force Holden and TW into a corner where they would need to make it worth his while to go away and be quiet. MS may well have realised that he and Holden where in effect "married" and he was going to do the best he could for himself out of the breakup. TW is the "other woman" so to speak.

Many people believe that MS is no dummy and a fairly astute businessman so is it possible that he is not in the predicament that alot of people think he is?
Is TW really as evil as we were thinking in all of this?
Did it really have nothing to do with Holden like they claim?
Why did HRT/Skaife get into so much debt when the Kelly's didn't?

There is alot of smoke and mirrors going on ATM and I honestly don't know who or what to believe. I guess like any divorce there is always 2 sides to the story.
 
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Henry

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quote:Originally posted by racin jason

Perhaps it was a [smart] ploy by Skaife to leverage himself into a better bargaining position post HRT.
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Jase, that's what I've said all along. Hypothetically, once it was in Skaifey's name, I reckon that he thought he might've been able to hang onto it, and again hypothetically, once it became really obvious that TW was gunna get it back one way or another, MS airing the dirty laundry sounds to me like a ploy to get the public on-side... hoping that if he told enough people he owned it, it would come true.

quote:Originally posted by racin jason
Let's face it, we have all been VERY sceptical about whether or not MS actually "owned" HRT. If that is the case, then Holden were always going to take it back and give it to TW (or whoever) when it suited them. Perhaps by leaking details of his "harsh" treatment to the media, it would force Holden and TW into a corner where they would need to make it worth his while to go away and be quiet. MS may well have realised that he and Holden where in effect "married" and he was going to do the best he could for himself out of the breakup. TW is the "other woman" so to speak.
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Well, no it's more like TW and Holden are married, and Skaife was the bit on the side, who started squarking that he wanted to take it further. Had he kept his mouth shut, and just faded away, I have a feeling that he might've been better off... think in terms of having potentially received a financial settlement for the remaining 50% of SkaifeSport, rather than just having it taken to settle an invoice... assuming any of this ever happened...

quote:Originally posted by racin jason
Many people believe that MS is no dummy and a fairly astute businessman so is it possible that he is not in the predicament that alot of people think he is?
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Well, if you consider that the 3.6M invoice is probably only there to leverage equity, than you might say that he doesn't really owe any more than he did when he "bought" the team. Certainly I think you'll see him now as being in the same boat as he was before he bought it ;).

And all the talk about Skaife being a corporate wiz... I think that that story came about because he was in effect running Gibson Motor Sport from the early 90's... and that didn't finish well, once the Winfield money left (although I believe that Gibbo and Skaifey still own property left over from that time, so they're probably sitting alright. A suit and a briefcase doesn't make you the next Kerry Packer.

quote:Originally posted by racin jasonis TW really as evil as we were thinking in all of this?
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Probably, as he's definitely got Skaife over a barrel, and arguably Holden too.
quote:Originally posted by racin jasonDid it really have nothing to do with Holden like they claim?
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No, they'd be a party to it one way or the other
quote:Originally posted by racin jasonWhy did HRT/Skaife get into so much debt when the Kelly's didn't?
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because Kelly was always a customer, and was under no illusions about it
 
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