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Caught "Cheating"
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Racin Jason
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I believe those lightweight shells were made for the stillborn Le Mans attack by Bob Forbes. They were then distributed to the Holden teams with a special GMP&A part number and no actual Chassis number. But there could also have been some done for the race teams. Bigcol would probably be able to confirm this... I think the yellow Latham/Reed A9X that the Bowdens own is one of these shells?
Ditto ; to the rumour thing . . . . .my mate who does Quality control at the dark sidetold me years ago. . . . . .and i'm not saying it any more than a rumour . . . .but TWR brought in USA steel plate a guage or two down and had that pressed up and trimmed and seam welded . the shells were about 15% lighter but due to the high grade steel used the rigidity was double that of a standard shell.
watching some of those in corners . . . well maybe
watching some of those in corners . . . well maybe
Racin Jason
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Australian Muscle Car magazine did a great story on the Mustang, if you can get your hands on a copy TS-50, it tells the whole story about not only the chopping of the front end but everything(or just about)to do with the build of that car and how Marvin came to get it.
The front chop on the Coke Stang makes it unique, as the US TransAm cars had some of the metal replaced, so it represents the "purest" iteration of the 1969 TransAm Mustang They originally took a 2" wedge cut out to drop the nose, but had to put 1" back on the US cars.
I believe that Bob Jane's Trana, which was used to great effect by Haberfield Fats - while stamped as GMP&A shells - werw a different batch to the LeMans shells - one of which ended up as a Janson/Perkins car... The Jane/Geoghegan car was, in unofficial practice, three seconds quicker than the eventual pole time at Bathurst in 1977, before succumbing to a series of oil filter prob's.
I believe that Bob Jane's Trana, which was used to great effect by Haberfield Fats - while stamped as GMP&A shells - werw a different batch to the LeMans shells - one of which ended up as a Janson/Perkins car... The Jane/Geoghegan car was, in unofficial practice, three seconds quicker than the eventual pole time at Bathurst in 1977, before succumbing to a series of oil filter prob's.
Racin Jason
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I guess what it comes down to is "he who cheats best wins"! Although there is a difference between outright cheating and colourful rule interpretation. If you look back over the years it has always been the team that walks that fine line best that has come out the winner.
It has been interesting remembering some of these, and I will bet there are a heap more that us punters don't know about too!
It has been interesting remembering some of these, and I will bet there are a heap more that us punters don't know about too!
ROB17
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I remember that at the 1987 ATCC round at Lakeside, the Sierra finally started to show some potential and absolutely blew everything away down the front straight. Dick came from about 7th position through to 1st before the Turbo cried enough. I believe they machined 30-thousanths of an inch from the teeth on the Turbo Compressor Wheels. DJ claimed it was within the rules, but CAMS saw it differently and handed DJ a 7 day holiday, with Gregg Hansford copping a 24 hour suspension as well. Had the sudden difference in straight-line speed not been so dramatic, DJR would probably have gotten away with it [8D]
Racin Jason
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ROB17, I think the rule said something about the comp. wheel in the turbo could be changed so long as it came from the same source, i.e. Garrett, however DJ got the wheels from Garrett and modified them to suit. IIRC it wasn't exactly against the rules but was deemed to be "not in the spirit of the rules" and the suspension was only a token gesture anyway as it didn't have much of an impact on DJ's campaign.
Racin Jason
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And boy didn't Big Pete lay down some rubber in that Falc'? In just about any pic of it you can see two black lines trailing out from the rear tyres and the car is at 45 degrees toi its direction of travel. Bugger me I wish I was old enough to have seen them race!
Racin Jason
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Where would I get a copy of that vid bigcol?
I spent yesterday re-reading "Legends of Speed" - which featured many interviews with his peers (and his brother), and thought it sad that Pete died before the current muscle car revival really hit its straps... by all accounts his last few years were far from happy ones, and I wonder what he would make of the reverence and adoration still extended to his memory.
Racin Jason
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I think he would be st-st-st-st-stoked! I reckon he is watching with a big cheeky grin!