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Bowe Vs Seton - Bathurst 1995

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Seton Fanatic

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This thread will be considered by all posters as inevitable, given the historical significance of this year's Bathurst 1000.

I am canvessing opinions on who was responsible for the incident between John Bowe and Glenn Seton on lap 93 of the 1995 Bathurst 1000. What must be remembered is that Bowe and Seton were battling for the lead at the time.

I'll give my opinion in due course, after finalising some research for one of the most important posts that I have ever posted on this forum.

Your opinions are needed, Ladies and Gentlemen, and let's try to remove emotion from the posting for this important thread (that goes for me too!).
 

Joe5619

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Brave man, bringing this topic to this forums :D:D

Bowe... And whilst today I might be a huge Seto fan, back in 1995 I was a Brock fan & did not care much for either Bowe or Seto & at the time I blamed Bowe.. But now that Seto is my hero I definately put Bowe at fault!!! :D

I just can't understand people blocking like he was with over 70 laps to go. In my opinion from laps 1 to about 110-ish at Bathurst, if your slower you should only give a very small resistance before letting a quicker car through..
 

Seton Fanatic

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The incident between John Bowe and Glenn Seton on lap 93 of the 1995 Bathurst 1000 has elicited a lot of comment from fans and insiders in the last decade. The incident was controversial, due to the facts that the two top Ford drivers had collided with each other at Australia's most presitigious race.

Bowe and Seton had differing races up to lap 93. Bowe started well, establishing himself as a solid contender for the race win with a disciplined opening stint. Seton deliberately dropped back to ninth at the start, refusing to get involved in the early fray. What helped Seton in the early stages was the car's superior speed and Wayne Gardner holding the field up until lap 6, when Jim Richards took over the lead in the Winfield Commodore. Seton passed the likes of Longhurst, Steven Johnson and Bowe CLEANLY in the opening stint. What was an interesting point to come from the opening stint, was that Seton's car appeared better on the longer run, while Bowe's car experienced tyre wear problems.

GSR were markedly superior in pitstops all day, compared to DJR. The only team that could claim to be superior to GSR in that department through this day was WGR. Consistently, seconds would be gained on #17, thanks to slick pitstops from the GSR crew.

After consistent, but not pacy stints from David Parsons and Dick Johnson, the race took a dramatic turn, with the standout Skaife/Richards Winfield Commodore retiring from a comfortable race lead, after 65 laps, with the race firmly in their grasp. Again, GSR gained seconds at the pitstops, and Bowe narrowly retained his lead over Seton.

Bowe then pulled away from Seton, while the Bridgestones got up to temperature. Once the Bridgestones had achieved peak temperature, Seton hauled Bowe in. For lap after lap, both Bowe and Seton raced nose-to-tail, without a hint of a touch. However, there were problems for Bowe, with excessive tyre wear, causing Bowe to bog down in the corners, that it was said afterwards that Clerk of Course, Tim Schenken was ready to display the bad sportsmanship flag to Bowe for his driving in the corners.

On lap 93, Bowe and Seton lapped David Attard and Wayne Park before the Cutting. As the cars came out of the Cutting, Bowe's car slid a little. Seton, sensing an opportunity to overtake, made an attempt coming to the rise at Reid Park; the two cars touched, and Bowe went nose-first into the wall, causing damage that would later prove to be terminal.

The question is: who was to blame?

Bowe and Seton had raced, for the most part, fairly through the stint. The moving pictures appear to indicate an incident that was caused by Bowe's sliding, and Seton's decision to overtake. The still pictures of the incident are more damning, placing the onus of blame without any further review, upon Seton. However, both pieces of evidence must be considered, not just one.

The photographic and TV evidence doesn't create a real culprit beyond reasonable doubt. The moving TV pictures, which is the best evidence that we have, appears to exonerate Seton from deliberate contact with Bowe; a charge which Bowe maintained for years, but ultimately, gave Seton the benefit of the doubt. The still pictures, as outlined above, appear damning, and it would be easy to blame Seton based on the evidence provided there.

One point to remember, is that the camera and photographic angles were facing upwards, rather than downwards or parallel to the corner in question, creating a difficult angle in which to analyse the evidence.

Ultimately, one must make a decision. My opinion is, based on the evidence, that the incident was a racing incident, with the onus of blame, possibly, if there was any, placed on Seton for his part in the incident. Bowe was still racing, despite his worn tyres, and Seton dived for a gap on a part of the track, where overtaking is exceptionally rare. If Seton hadn't tried to overtake, there would have been no incident. In the end, with the conflicting evidence, it was impossible to find Seton guilty of any driving offence, but add with further evidence, a different verdict may have been reached. Bowe was entirely blameless from a legal standpoint, although from a moral, and sporting standpoint, one must concede that he was stretching the boundaries, without breaching any driving code.

That is my judgment on the Bowe/Seton incident, without fear or favour
 

Henry

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HENRY'S TAKE:
If you look at the shot from behind, Bowe was on the one true racing line for the corner, and would not have expected to find the PJ car on the inside. IMHO, it was a ittle silly to be dicing so hard for the lead at that point of the race, 17 was in trouble with tyres and Bowe was grasping... hindsight would suggest that he cost them the win by defending position so vigorously at that point: the car was near the pace for most of the day, and with a better call on rubber late in the race, they could've been in for the run at the flag too... ifs, buts and maybes... sum it up? Racing incident: Seto shouldn't have been overlapping there, but Bowe should've let him go a lap or so prior...
 

DJR-XR8

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In my opinion the pass was never on at the old Tooheys Red turn, I think Seto would have rounded Bowey up through the chase or into murrays corner in the following laps after all its a 161 lap race.
 

Doug

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Hi guys -as for a bloke who has been absent for a while note sure if you will want my opinion but here goes-

Bowe got sideways over the little hump out of the cutting - he later said on the telly " as it usually does" - i for one cannot remember any correct racing line out of there including a sideways action - he simply screwed up - and Seto took the punt - to me Bowey could have just backed off a tenth or so and they still would have won by miles - however JB is not known for his generosity in a passing situation.
 

Rob 18

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10 years ago, pretty hard to believe it's that long ago I left Bathurst once again.....a shattered man..

I think the biggest problem for Seto at Bathurst in 95 in THAT duel with Bowe was that the #17 Shell-FAI Ford had way superior HP than the PJ machine & soon as the 2 Fords hit Conrod...Seto had no chance of passing Bowe untill they reached the Cutting the next lap, so the only place Seton could pass was effectively from the Cutting to Forest Elbow.

Where Seton eventually decided to pass Bowe IMO, (Which counts for very little) just wasn't on. He should have waited to Forest Elbow & if he was close enough there, it's an easy dive up the inside & try & hold him out down the Shute..

It's funny how you mention SF that Bowe had used his tyres up & was on the ragged edge so to speak, which I totally agree with, but at Bathurst, Dick never seemed to have the same problem, for whatever reason I don't know but the old fella could certainly put a quick lap around the mount & still manage to look after his tyres.

In summary, just another very unfortunate incident that cost Ford victory at Bathurst. Whoever you support, Seton, Bowe or DJR, doesn't really matter, when it all comes down to it, she's all over now, it's history & we really need to hope, cross our fingers & toes & whatever's left to cross that either of the DJR Ford's can be not only competitive at Mt Panorama in 2 weeks time, but hopefully be able to actually fight for a long over due win.

One can only hope...
 

Bigcol

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It was a way over ambitious move.
As i said on another forum i think Seto gave Bowe a nudge and then went up the inside and tagged him. No malice intended just a little impatient..
Watched the old Bathurst vid about a dozen times in slow motion to come to that conclusion. Called Seton every name under the sun for that one. Then called Bowe a few as well. Then called Seto even more when his car shat it itself 9 laps out. Mind you it still wasn't half as bad as what i was calling Radisich after parking the 888 Falcon where he did last year. Barring any other incidents it would been another one for Dick and Bowe.
 

MRJUCY

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It was a racing incident I think Bowe stuffed up & Glenn saw it & made a slightly over ambitious move at which point Bowe could have conceded lost the position & kept going but he didn't & tried to stop Glenn getting past when it was too late & walled it.
 

seto18

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At the Ford Brekky in Queensland, this particular race came up (after my question to Glenn about something he would like to turn back time and change - he mentioned this race) and both men seem to grudgingly admit that Glenn was to blame. They all have a great laugh about it now, especially when considering the final outcome. :(:(
 

Racin Jason

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I can't help but wonder if everybody would be so easy on Seton if he wasn't driving for DJR now???

I think JB was blocking unnecesarily but if you watch the video Seto' wasn't on the brakes until he was well into the side of Bowe IMHO Glenn had plenty of time to pull out, but chose not to.I don't think Glenn wanted the outcome that he got but I do think under the circumstances it was a move that was a little rough.

Anyway as Dick says "the only thing you get from looking back is a sore neck" so let's look forward to a good result for DJR this year!I wish all of them good luck!
 

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