2010 nrl

[TS-50]

I agree. I also want the 2009 trophy to be on display at Eels HQ... even though its a hollow victory.

Why? The players didn't cheat , they won the trophy fair and square.



The storm players don't go around to each others bank accounts to check if they are over the cap, they just go out on the field and play their hearts out like everyone else, they shouldn't be held to account for a management issue that was hidden well enough that Gallop and his Sydney Rugby League goons couldn't find it.

The Bronco's have been investigated time and again over allegations of salary cap breaches, and it seems to me that in the precedent of the Bulldogs penalty,m the Storm has been hit with a pretty heavy hand which will almost break them.

It looks from an interstate perspective like Sydney is trying to penalise the trophy into the hands of an undeserving Sydney club.

Money is killing every kind of sport there is in this country and biased little hitlers are ruining it for the fans. I'm just about over it all.

 

[Car61]

But whoever they 'off-load' can't play with any other team in 2010 !!! ?????

 

[Yap]

But whoever they 'off-load' can't play with any other team in 2010 !!! ?????

If they are released and sign with another club before June 30 then that would be fine (I didn't think I heard of any ban on the players doing that)

Apparently the Broncos are 300 grand under the cap this year (looking at their playing list you can see why), so they would have room

 

[Dgw86]

for smith or slatter lol the refs were pathatic last night.

 

[Bartman09]

If they are released and sign with another club before June 30 then that would be fine (I didn't think I heard of any ban on the players doing that)

Apparently the Broncos are 300 grand under the cap this year (looking at their playing list you can see why), so they would have room

That is why the Broncos are so far under the cap they have had to offload so may players over the years to stay under the cap and not do a Melbourne Storm.

Hannant, Taylor, Ennis, Gillmeister, Petrol 2cents-a-litre, Priddis, Stagg to name a few. I could probably name 15-20 more if i needed to.

The courier mail ran an article last year (accompanied by a photo) with Bruno Cullen regarding what the Broncos team would look like were there no salary cap and the photo was of the Australian test team.
The Broncos are one of the richest if not the richest team in the comp but the salary cap has been introduced to level out the playing field but we all know that anyway.

 

[Gerry]

If they're only $300 000 under the cap, they're paying some of those kids too much!!

 

[TS-50]

If they're only $300 000 under the cap, they're paying some of those kids too much!!

I agree,


It is time the cap was raised anyway, it's just stupid to base it on the level of funding achievable by the least popular Sydney team. It doesn't make sence in a viable comp to pull the teams down to the lowest level just to keep the game in Sydney, Gallop needs to go if they truely want to have a national comp.

 

[Tips 507]

It would appear the blatant underhandedness ( is that a word ) of it all is why the penalty was so severe. There should be a reduction in the ranks to bring them under the cap and then start fresh from there, if they are good enough to win from zero then so be it. Problem is that will cost the younger guys a position and they will struggle to find a new home with salary caps full.
There needs to be a salary cap for the good of everyone involved but they need to have a marquee player system or reward loyalty/junior development. If they did that all these guys Melbourne have developed would fit under the cap nicely.
Why didn't the Storm ask Skaifey to claim ownership of a few of these players, he managed to find some old ownership papers of a V8 team lying around the spare room.

 

[Dgw86]

Go the broncos 36 - 14 Melbourne in Melborune look out titans![y]

 

[Bigcol]

It would appear the blatant underhandedness ( is that a word ) of it all is why the penalty was so severe. There should be a reduction in the ranks to bring them under the cap and then start fresh from there, if they are good enough to win from zero then so be it. Problem is that will cost the younger guys a position and they will struggle to find a new home with salary caps full.
There needs to be a salary cap for the good of everyone involved but they need to have a marquee player system or reward loyalty/junior development. If they did that all these guys Melbourne have developed would fit under the cap nicely.
Why didn't the Storm ask Skaifey to claim ownership of a few of these players, he managed to find some old ownership papers of a V8 team lying around the spare room.

Exactly

 

[TS-50]

Even so, the penalty that the local team, caught doing a very similar thing was almost nothing in comparison, and it seems that this is about bringing league back to sydney.


The fact that we are loosing players to union and god help us even VFL, shows that the salary cap being based on the amount that the poorest supported team can raise is BS and the cap needs lifted so that teams who invest a lot of time in young talent and turn them into the greats of our game, can keep them when they are offered huge bucks to jump ship, as darren said how many young blokes have learned theri craft at the Bronk's and then had to go elsewhere and use that skill against them.

I think the formula is wrong, and the game is suffering because of it rather then breaches of the cap.[bgn]

 

[Mitchell]

Why? The players didn't cheat , they won the trophy fair and square.



The storm players don't go around to each others bank accounts to check if they are over the cap, they just go out on the field and play their hearts out like everyone else, they shouldn't be held to account for a management issue that was hidden well enough that Gallop and his Sydney Rugby League goons couldn't find it.

The Bronco's have been investigated time and again over allegations of salary cap breaches, and it seems to me that in the precedent of the Bulldogs penalty,m the Storm has been hit with a pretty heavy hand which will almost break them.

It looks from an interstate perspective like Sydney is trying to penalise the trophy into the hands of an undeserving Sydney club.

Money is killing every kind of sport there is in this country and biased little hitlers are ruining it for the fans. I'm just about over it all.

The players might not have cheated, but they certainly had an advantage.. a very very unfair advantage... Most players now-days have clauses in their contract stating that once they play rep football theyre entitled to more money...

They might have been developed in Melbourne... but Cronk, Smith, Slater, Inglis, Quinn, Turner, White, Johnson, Hoffman, Folau theyre all rep players.. so i'm sorry.... But that aint fair...

 

[TS-50]

The players might not have cheated, but they certainly had an advantage.. a very very unfair advantage... Most players now-days have clauses in their contract stating that once they play rep football theyre entitled to more money...

They might have been developed in Melbourne... but Cronk, Smith, Slater, Inglis, Quinn, Turner, White, Johnson, Hoffman, Folau theyre all rep players.. so i'm sorry.... But that aint fair...

Are you trying to tell me that Melbourne Storm won every game by a huge margin and no other team could put up any form of oposition to them? No.
They were good, but not so outrageously good that anyone at the time they were winning could complain that they had an unfair advantage.
I guess it's only not fair if you're from sydney.

While top players are walking away to other codes, to get what those codes can offer, our game suffers.

 

[Bigcol]

Exactly TS
The salary cap is where it is because some of those Sydney teams can't afford to pay anymore.

The Melbourne Storm developed those players and should have been able to get a concession on the cap to help keep them.
It's not the Storms fault that some Clubs in Sydney can't be competitive on the field and off it.

Why should Clubs like the Broncos and Storm who nuture talent be handicapped because they're successful on and off the field.
They spent the time and money on nuturing young talent. They should be rewarded. Unlike some Sydney clubs who do their junior development with a cheque buying players after they've learnt their trade with teams like the Broncos and the Storm

 

[Mitchell]

Of course theyve got more money and can nurture talent in Brisbane.. Sydney has about 10 clubs within 30km of each other, and theyre all vying for the same dollar, and the same juniors...

For the first 10 years of it's life Brisbane were the ONLY club in QLD, and even after that the only other one was a days drive away... so i reckon they had a pretty good chance to build up a supporters base and generate some money..

I cannot believe that you're suggesting that it's the Leagues fault that Melbourne cheated... that they were FORCED in to doing it... whether the rules are right or wrong, theyre the bloody rules.. Your club (Brisbane) has had to sell on players, and so has mine (the Dragons)...so why shouldnt Melbourne? The Storm probably would still have had the best team in the League for a few years and won a couple of Grand Finals.. but then the natural progression begins, and those players need to be shifted out to stay within the rules.. Thats how the cap works... they certainly shouldnt have been at the top for 5 years in a row..

Take away the Salary Cap.. and teams like the Roosters, Brisbane, and the Dragons (the teams with all the money) will completely dominate the game to the point where the other clubs will barely survive because no sponsor wants to back a consistent loser.. which is what they'll be without the salary cap..

On another note.. Hodges, Ennis, Wallace, Sims, Folau, Clinton are a few i can think of in recent times that Brisbane have spent money on to bring to the club...

pffft.... Queenslanders... all the same...

Where was James Courtney born again?

Further to that, it's a working class game played in about 20% of Australia. It's tradition is gone thanks to the Super League, and it's full of drug addicts and wife beaters... The game will never be as big as the other codes in this country.... EVER.. it needs to stop trying to out-do them and just make the most of what it's got..

 

[Bartman09]

Justin Hodges started with Brisbane then went to the Roosters.

 

[Bigcol]

No Mitch i'm not saying it's the NRLs fault for Melbourne cheating
Now if you're prepared to watch the stars of League playing gAyFL and Union well you've got the right attitude.

Cockroaches are all the same you won't go and support your teams.
You bitch and whinge about any other side that doesn't come from Sydney , Newcastle or Canberra and you're quite happy to keep the teams that are financially retarded and couldn't organise a root in brothel with fist full of dollars and their old fella in their hand.

It's time the NRL got serious about making it a national game and let some of the sydney basket case clubs fall over or play in the local competition and or relocate them to somewhere where the fans will actually go and watch them play.
FFS Sydney people won't even go to the V8 Supercars.

Oh and by the way Courtney may have been born in Sydney but you cockroaches have got nothing.
Dick Johnson was born and bred in the best place on earth. The place where we own the Hardly Normal state of origin trophy and have for the last 4 years.

All they have to do is hold the NRL final in the true heartland of Rugby League now. Lang Park

 

[TS-50]

Totally agree BigCol, Mitch, I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that I was blaming the NSWRL for the Storm Running two sets of books, That's fraud, end of story.

However the players aren't accountants or book keepers, and by the looks of it now there is actually a real problem with team and private sponsorship because if your private sponsor gives you money for ads above the cap it's ok, . . but if your sponsor then also becomes a sponsor of you r team then it's a breach of the cap ( although very obscure, and still open to interpretation and legal prooving)

It seems that the cases against 4 storm players are from this category where they are paid for promo work and the NSWRL is saying that the payment come into the cap because the payment came from a director of a company that was a club sponsor, are we talking semantics here? I reckon we are.

If the NSWRL were serious, and don't forget those Sydney clubs have had a 100 years to build up a fan base, unlike the Storm, and in genuine League territory unlike the Storm, (so shouldn't we compare apples with apples) and yet they still whinge that they can't get enough money.

Consider this (unless it's all about money for the NSWRL, . . . and it is) in England they have a system where they also have too many clubs in clusters in the city, but they don't cap the first division to the lowest earning club, they simply relegate them down a division, and that's what should happen here, we want to see the "stars" stay with the big flamboyant clubs and see them excell on the field, making the game a showpiece every week, not rubbish where you see 50 nill scores. Without doubt, some teams should be relegated back to the sydney local comp and the cap should be lifted to keep league stars in league.



I also think your generalisation in the last parragraph is out of order, I doubt that any code could get more bad press than VFL does. (our other pseudo national code )[sa]

 

[Mitchell]

Nobody in Sydney likes the Broncos, because theyre Queenslanders and that's how it goes, but i can tell you for certain that every Rugby League fan where i'm from respects the SHIT out of Brisbane as a club, and what theyve achieved in the game. So my gripe is not with QLD Rugby League... Tallas, Lockyer, Lewis, Webcke.... theyre legends of the game no matter what part of the country you live in.... Queenslanders just have an inferiority complex.. or 'Little State' syndrome.. it's really quite sad I agree that they should hold the occasional GF at Suncorp... but if we're using the AFL as an example of the way you should govern your game... i dont think you'll be seeing their GF leaving Melbourne any time soon.

I think, and have always thought, that the Melbourne Storm are a complete waste of time and money and talent. The game will never take off in Melbourne.. have you ever BEEN to Melbourne? They couldnt care less about Rugby League... they still dont even show live games down there as far as i know and theyve been around for 10 years and won 3 comps!!.. They got hand outs from News Limited for all those years, they knicked their juniors from areas like the Central Coast and Southern QLD, areas that would quite happily have had their own teams... they invented all these silly wrestling tackles, AND THEN they have the hide to blatently cheat... Quite frankly, i hate the ****in Storm, and i would gladly watch them dissapear..

I do like the idea of having two divisions, though... and as a Soccer man first and foremost, it is something i often think about... Open up the Salary Cap, and re-enter The Steelers, and Western Suburbs, and North Sydney in the second tear... As for more QLD Teams... Townsville, Brisbane, and the Gold Coast are just about your only major cities... and i doubt very much any of those towns could cope with more than one club. Can you imagine South Brisbane, North Brisbane, East Brisbane, and West Brisbane? Which is the scenario in Sydney.... where do you think all the money would come from??? They might open 3 more massive Leagues' clubs and back them that way, i wonder? i dont think so...

 

[Thetormentor]

Sorry Mitchell.... I have always lived in NSW and am a passionate Broncos supporter, and 2 in my office are the same.

Go Broncos !!