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Holden wants parity adjustment

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Mitchell

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Talk about Short memories.. Does this idiot remember 99' through to about 2003, when we were lucky to win a race, let alone a title or Bathurst.. we got a few little adjustments along the way.. But HRT were just better, simple as that (or they cheated :D) and it didnt matter what was done, they always won.

And if the Commodore is so hopeless, why are they leading the bloody championship.
 

Poita

Administrator
They're still trying to knoble Ford.

Skaife's appeal to officials
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24295273-5001023,00.html
 

JB-17

New member
Might have to take a box of tissues with me to Phillip Island next weekend & hand them out to those WHINGING WANKERS.
 

Peregrine

New member
If these Holden c*&ts get their way, that will be it for me. I will not attend Bathurst for the first time in 30+ years, nor will i ever attend another event that these V8SC knob jockeys put on. Once DJR is forced out of the sport thanks to Ford and Ford then in turn withdraws they can watch the tumbleweeds roll past, alone....

Yes, i am taking a deep breath now.......[rt]
 

JB-17

New member
Now this MacNamara Wank is saying it will be a waste of time.Boo F#cking Hoo.Build a bridge you F#cking SOOK.
 

Timmy

New member
Taken off V8 Supercars website

Holden Motorsport Manager Simon McNamara says a parity review announced yesterday will be a waste of time.

The V8 Supercars Australia Board agreed on Friday to initiate a parity review between the VE Commodore and BF Falcon and its decision was made public yesterday.

Technical Director Andy Bartley will conduct the investigation, examining all the relevant data of all cars in the 2008 Championship Series.

Bartley is scheduled to report back to the Board before its next meeting on October 22, which is the day before Round 11 of the Championship in Surfers Paradise ? and after the two endurance races.

Holden Racing Team?s Mark Skaife requested the parity review after the Queensland Raceway round of the Championship on the basis the Falcon had an aerodynamic advantage over the Commodore.

McNamara was critical of the review?s timeframe and of the likelihood that any change on the Falcons ? if they are found to have an aerodynamic advantage ? will not take place until after the endurance races.

?They?re looking at a review, using the data they have held for a year, which will then be presented at a board meeting at the end of October, when in my opinion you could argue (that) is when the Championship will be over,? he said.

Holden Racing Team?s Garth Tander leads the 2008 Championship by 12 points over Ford Performance Racing?s Mark Winterbottom going into the L&H 500 at Phillip Island, which takes place this weekend.

McNamara said Phillip Island and Bathurst were probably two of the V8 Supercar circuits were aerodynamics is most crucial.

?They?ve tabled that they have an issue and now they have to investigate it, but why did it take so long for them to investigate the data they already had?? he mused.

?You?d think if there was a parity issue you would sort it out before a month and a half.

?It?s like the bank saying it?s going to drop interest rates and not doing it (straight away).

?You wonder whether we?re running in a professional sport or what we?re doing.?

McNamara said Holden would not launch court action or any other external options open to it to speed up the parity review.
 

Timmy

New member
Taken off the V8 Supercar webite 11/9/08

V8 Supercars Australia has moved to clear up a gray area in the rules where teams were potentially able to gain an unfair aerodynamic advantage.

A technical clarification dated July 22 ? between the Queensland Raceway and Winton rounds of the Championship ? and which came into effect immediately, was confidentially sent to all V8 Supercar teams.

It indicated that some teams had been fixing ballast plates to the cross member of their cars, effectively extending the undertray.

The primary purpose of ballast plates is bring the cars up to their minimum weight of 1355kg as per the regulations.

?The cross member ballast plates being used by some teams have been discussed by the TAP (Technical Advisory Panel) and with information gathered from the recent aero test, where the effect of these were tested, it has been decided to standardise the position of the ballast being placed on the cross member,? the clarification read.

It then went on to state that any team carrying ballast plates on the cross member could only attach it to a certain area, which was outlined in a diagram accompanying the clarification.

The diagram showed that the ballast plate must go on the passenger side of the car and must not connect the undertray to the cross member.

V8 Supercars Technical Director, Andy Bartley, said there were ?a few teams? who could have been perceived as having an aerodynamic advantage in the way the ballast plates were fixed to the cross member.

?There was a bit of a misunderstanding as far as the cross member is concerned,? he said.

?Some people believed some teams were trying to obtain an aerodynamic advantage, basically by under-sheeting the undertray.?

Bartley said the technical clarification of where ballast plates could be placed on the cross member was sent to all teams to remove the potential for an unfair aerodynamic advantage.

?In the rule book there are a few areas that are a bit gray and over time Steve Brow, Frank Adamson, Kurt Skazewski and myself (VESA Technical Department) are working together to rid any gray areas in the Operations Manual,? he said.

?Obviously there are guys out there that are trying to take advantage of the rules, but that?s the nature of the business.

?Nobody was breaking the rules as such because there wasn?t a rule there and the technical clarification was put in place to make sure no one was getting an advantage.?

Bartley wouldn?t be drawn on which teams were forced to change the positioning of their ballast plates.

BigPond Sport asked the four teams currently on the top of the V8 Supercar Championship point?s table if they had ever used ballast plates as an aerodynamic device.

Both Holden Racing Team?s Mark Skaife and HSV Dealer Team?s Erik Pender said they had used ballast plates on the cross member in the past, similar to the way they are now allowed to be used.

They said the plates never connected the cross member to the undertray and therefore never gave the cars an unfair aerodynamic advantage.

Skaife said it was ?absolutely physically impossible? to attach ballast plates to the undertray of a Commodore in such a way that an aerodynamic advantage could be gained.

Bartley said a belief that Ford could gain an aerodynamic advantage from the ballast plate positioning was ?the way that some people see it?.

Skaife said he had heard that some Ford teams were using the ballast plates to gain an unfair advantage.

?And it disappoints me this sort of thing has slipped through the cracks,? he added.

Ford Performance Racing (FPR) Team Manager Tim Edwards said his team had not used ballast plates on the cross member.

?Ours is still all open and always was open,? he said.

Edwards said it was ?clutching at straws? to suggest that uncharacteristic mistakes made at Winton Raceway by FPR driver, and then Championship leader, Mark Winterbottom, were caused by changed aerodynamics.

?We were in pole position and Frosty was leading race one until he had that puncture and we clearly had the fastest car,? he said.

Edwards said FPR had sought permission to use the ballast plates before the technical clarification had come into effect.

?We unofficially asked in the past and were told it was not in the spirit of the rules,? he said.

Team Vodafone Race Motor Engineer Campbell Little also said that his team had not used ballast plates on the cross member to gain an aerodynamic advantage.

He said that the Brisbane-based team had fitted the plates following the technical clarification, but only as shown by the accompanying diagram.
 

Racin Jason

Active member
Surely you wouldn't be thinking that someone linked to a V8 team could be less than economical with the truth Pete?

What is the world coming to?[sh]
 

4EVER17

New member
Out of the Ford teams. I would guess and say SBR & FPR were using Ballast for Aero advantage & propbally amongst other things and that is why FORD gave them all the funding. For their Tech savy ideas. Which if is the case, Then how good will Sj be in a competative up to spec car. Go you good thing Sj in 09.
 

Nascar12

New member
With only a few more races left in the BA/BF's - new FG chassis next year, I'm also waiting for a big finish at Oran Park.
I'd be interested to see which of the Ford teams instruct their drivers to "Win it or bin it".
 

Bigcol

Active member
I'd love to see that.

Imagine Tander and Frosty fighting for the championship.
Tander slightly faster all weekend and all he has to do is finish in front of Frosty and the championship is his.

Firstly Lowndes and Courtney do their pitstops and when they come out they drive in a more than defensive manner and run Tander off the track.
Then Richo slows down because of alledged fuel pressure problems and backs Tander right up to Frosty.
Last race and Frosty and Tander start side by side and Frosty gets a better run and at turn one they come together and Tander gets bogged in the sand pit calling all and sundry lowlife maggots.
Frosty gets a drive through for a driving infringement and it takes Tander 4 laps to get out.

I'd love to see this happen just so we can stick it up the Holden wankers who said it was a racing incident when all of the Holden factory drivers made sure Lowndes didn't win in 06

Oh and i hope that one of the Ford guys takes out car 1 at Bathurst
 

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